Page Title: Confederate and Southern Flags

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Confederate Flags                         Budget Flags Confederate Music: Buy any 3x5' flag from us and get a special deal on a Southern Music CD or Cassette
Confederate Grave markers Confederate Novelties
Confederate Kepis Confederate Stick Flags 1st national flag
Money As Debt West Point Foundry in Cold Spring, NY Production Site of Union's Parrot gun; I got to take a rare tour of the ruins. This was the Manhattan Project of its day and produced much of The Union's ordinance

Hey You Southern Guys: Before we get to the flags thanks for all the help you gave us in figuring out what medal old Lilburn here is wearing. He's my wife's great great Granddaddy, Lilburn B. Miller, who served in the 10th Alabama Infantry in General Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

We know quite a bit about his life and military service. We took an entire Alabama vacation a few years ago. In fact, we spent about three whole days in the wonderful local history collection in the Anniston Public Library and in other historical depositories around Oxford. We found all kinds of records on him. We found his POW parole document, documents that described his two woundings (one was at The Crater in Petersburgh). We even found documents about a lawsuit he was involved in. Seems he bought an ox from a guy to which it later turned out the seller did not have title! Can you imagine? A guy sells you an ox that he does not even own. Who even knew that you needed a title for an ox? I suppose back then, oxen were like pick up trucks. So anyway, Lilburn was suing this guy for years. We could not determine how it turned out however. I also wonder if Lilburn was suing the seller because the real owner took the ox back from Lilburn. Dang, talk about having a bad day.

Anyway, we wanted to know about the medal he is wearing. Was it a medal commemorating membership in a veterans organization or the attendance at some veterans event? I suspected it was. but was it a medal awarded by the Confederate government. It is often said that the Confederate government did not award medals. However, I have seen writings that refute that idea.

Anyway, a lot of you guys know a great deal more about the recent unpleasantness than we do. So I asked you to send us what information you had on this medal. Lots of you sent us all kinds of cool information.

Also, one more thing. Lilburn had three wives and 18 children! If you do the math, that fact means he has hundreds and hundreds of descendants. We did a good part of the family tree down there. That library has an amazing genealogy section and they treated us like family during our visit. We found out that a lot of them Millers went to Texas. We also know, that Lilburn is a Bagley on his mother's side. So I always say, one thing is for certain, Lilburn was a Bagley. He survived the war and became a prominent businessman who died at an old age in his general store. We visited his grave in Oxford and I'll post a picture of it here soon. Maybe I'll even start posting the family tree.

We thank all our neighbors in our great sister state of Alabama for a wonderful couple of weeks.

Al Cavalari, Prop

"He Al, can you tell me anything about my ancestor's regiment?" Nope, but these folks can:

Texas Heritage Museum For $24 bucks they'll send you the history of any unit. It is where I found out about old Lilburn's unit. They might know something about a unit's flag too. I don't know, but check it out.

 Update: See the very bottom of this page for the quick responses we received to our request from our dear visitors. Thank you all. Ain't the internet wonderful?

1st National Confederate Flag: The first flag of the Southern People as a nation. This was not a battle flag. It was the flag of their country. This national flag would serve the same functions for which we use our 50 star American flag today.

Other 1st National Versions

This flag is not to be confused with the Confederate Battle Flag.

The Stainless Banner

2nd National Confederate Flag "The Stainless Banner": The first national Confederate flag was thought too close in design to the stars and stripes flag of The Union. So this second design was adopted

 

A clarification of these flags' names

The 3rd National CSA Flag

3rd National Confederate Flag: When the 2nd national flag was hanging limp and not waving, it was felt it resembled a white flag of surrender because the stars and bars design near the hoist end was covered by the white field. This third design was adopted toward the end of the war.

 

The Bonnie Blue Flag

The Bonnie Blue Flag

 

 

Nylon, rugged outdoor fabric finished with canvas heading and brass grommets. Brilliant silk-screened dyed designs. Don't worry about item numbers, just order by name and description

 

Lightweight Polyester Jobbies

Desk Size 4x6" Flags

All are silk-screened designs unless noted

 

Name 2x3' 3x5'    Item # 4x6' 5x8' 6x10'
1st National $24.50 $44.00 #1STNAT $54.25 $83.00 Not Available
2nd National 24.75 42.00  #2NDNAT 54.50 83.25 Not Available
3rd National 24.85 43.00  #3RDNAT 54.75 83.50 Not Available
Bonnie Blue 28.95 41.00  #BONN 56.95 77.00 Not Available
CSA Navy Jack 23.00 39.50  #CSAN3 49.00 82.00 $280 sewn

I've only assigned item numbers to the 3x5' sizes; Just order the other sizes by description

Quantity Pricing Deal:

$99 for your choice of any three 3 x 5' Nylon Flags From This Group

Better Yet, Take all five for $160; You save $49.50!!

 

 

Confederate Naval Jack

Confederate Navy Jack, also the Confederate Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

C.S.A. Navy Jack Other Sizes and Fabrics

This flag is commonly, but somewhat incorrectly, called the  Confederate Battle Flag.

 

 

 

Click to enlarge

First National Flag SEWN Stars, SEWN stripes COTTON Flag 3x5' w/ heading and grommets #1STCS $49.00

 

 

 

Confederate Battle Flag Confederate Battle Flag. It would be carried into the fight and used to keep the regiment organized. With it, Generals could tell where their regiments were. In the din, smoke and confusion of battle, you could orientate yourself if you could see the battle flag. If you got cut off or if your line was broken, you could "rally 'round the flag". The poor soul who carried the flag was defenseless and was therefore protected by a color guard. Today the color guard is a ceremonial remnant of that former vital squad. Back then it protected the "colors" and the color bearer with deadly force. Before the days of walkie talkies and radios, the battle flag was a vital tool of communication. Confederate Battle Flag Sizes and Prices

 

 Elmira Prison Camp

#CHJ1 $3.99


Everyone hears about Georgia's brutal POW camp Andersonville. This is the story of "Hellmira," The North's Andersonville. A critical and fair look at the deadly conditions, the bitter New York winter, the successful tunnel escape, and of the escaped slave who became responsible for the proper and reverent burial of some 3,000 Confederate soldiers at the camp. His touching efforts in the name of humanity gives us the identities of those sons of The South now interred in graves marked by name, regiment and company in a national cemetery. Now they are New York's sons too. Thirty-two page paperback pamphlet. Nineteen B&W photos. A fascinating addition to any collection. This is not a publication you're likely to find anywhere else. It is a small publication put out by the Chemung Historical Journal, Elmira, New York, August 1990 (Reprint). Soft Cover

 

 

#H96 $49 The Rock City Guards 27"x5' Nylon with heading and grommets

A Nashville militia battalion which became part of the 1st Regiment of Tennessee Volunteers.

27"x5'. This unusual size evokes the long narrow scale of the original 3x7'

The Rock City Guards, a Nashville militia battalion became part of the 1st Regiment of Tennessee Volunteers. According to the 11/26/05 posting on Mr. Cannon's web site Vexillarium, "The flag was made in April 1861, after Virginia joined the Confederacy as its 8th state, but before Tennessee formally seceded. Tennessee is represented at the 9th star outside the circle, representing that we weren't in the fold yet, but were on the way. The original flag measures about 3 feet wide and almost 7 feet long, and is in the Tennessee State Museum."

The story of these flags is a story of country and of family. They are symbols of the horrible divide confronting all Americans during The War Between The States. They are symbols of a time when fathers fought sons and brothers fought brothers. They tell the story of where we get the beloved term...Old Glory Click here to see the full story of this pair of father and son flags.

 

All the flags below have heading and grommets for outdoor use

Blank Red Flags: I am told this is what was used as Confederate Hospital Flags

3x3' Cotton with heading and grommets $9.95 Each

Quantities are limited to stock on hand. This is a CLOSEOUT item. Subject to prior sale.

 

 

Overstock Deal!! Polyester 3x5' With Heading and Grommets

Georgia State Flag 1956-2,001 #GA3P $3.99

12x18" nylon with heading & grommets: #GA12 $1.99 Suitable for framing.

 

 Georgia State Flag 1956-2,001 2x3' Cotton!, these are just beautiful. They are silkscreened designed, but the look of cotton is just beautiful. #GA2C $5.95 AMAZING CLOSEOUT BARGAIN

CONFEDERATE AND OTHER SOUTHERN FLAGS A word about flag terms

The Confederate States of America had many flags. Among those were their three national flags. Just as our own Old Glory, the flag of the United States of America, went through many evolutionary versions to reach the pattern we know today, so did the national flags of the CSA. In order, these were:

The 1st National Flag (The Stars & Bars), changed after it was considered too close in design to the US flag, especially when furled.

The 2nd National Flag (The Stainless Banner), changed when it was realized it looked too much like a white surrender flag when furled

The 3rd National Flag, the most recent and final flag of the CSA.

When folks ask us for "the Confederate flag", they usually mean the most commonly seen C.S.A. Navy Jack shown below. In modern day parlance and media reporting, this flag is often loosely called "The Battle Flag", "The Confederate Battle Flag", and even "The Stars & Bars."

"The Battle Flag", is by rights square.

"The "Stars & Bars" is by rights the First National Flag

So when you ask us for "The Confederate Flag", or "The Battle Flag" or "The Stars & Bars", please bear with us when we ask a few questions to find out exactly which one you want. Our brief questions have prevented loads of folks from ordering a flag they did not want

Robert E. Lee's Headquarters Flag

Palmetto Guard Flag

South Carolina Secession Flag

USA/Big Red lapel pin #PINBR $.95 : We only have a couple dozen of these available. They have a metal military clutch pin back; These are jewelry quality with 24-karat gold plating.

1st National 11 Star

#H59 $23.50 3x5' Dyed Polyester with heading and grommets

 

1st National 13 Star

#H60 $24.50 3x5' Dyed Polyester with heading and grommets

 

Five Flag Confederate Desk Set: 4x6" flags with stand. Includes 1st National, 2nd National, 3rd National, Battle Flag, CSA Naval Jack

#UNIS4 $15.00 each

$12.00 each for 6 sets; $10.00 each for 12 sets

Individual 4x6" Flags

The desk flags from the above set are available individually and in bulk quantities:

$4.35 each: $2.75 each for 12 of a kind: $1.70 each for 12 dozen. The dozen pricing is for a dozen of the same flag. The twelve dozen quantity may be mixed in even dozens.

 

 

 

Confederate Battle Flag Confederate Battle Flag. It would be carried into the fight and used to keep the regiment organized. With it, Generals could hopefully get an overview as to where their regiments were on the field. In the din, smoke and confusion of battle, you could orientate yourself if you could see the battle flag. If you got cut off or if your line was broken, you could "rally 'round the flag". The poor soul who carried the flag was defenseless and was therefore protected by a color guard. Today the color guard is a ceremonial remnant of that former vital squad. Back then it protected the "colors" and the color bearer with deadly force. Before the days of walkie talkies and radios, the battle flag was a vital tool of communication.

 

Confederate Battle Flag Regulation Size

Nylon

Acid Dyed

Silkscreened

Finished with heading and grommets

Cotton

Fully Sewn Stars and Stripes

Finished with sleeve and leather tab for hanging on a pole

Calvary 32 x 32 "

$49.00 #BATCN

$79.00 #CS13

Artillery 38x38"

$68.00 #BATAN

$99.00 #CS14

Infantry 51x51"

$84.00 #BATIN

$119.00 #CS15

 This is a shot of the sleeve on our sewn cotton flags. Note the leather tab inside the sleeve for hanging on a pole. The ties are really only for effect. They should not be used to support the flag. But this is still a great value on a heavy sewn flag

 

 

 

The pictures left and right are of our SEWN cotton flag, NOT the acid dyed silk-screened flags

This shot shows the nice thick sewing and stitching on the cotton flags.

  CSA Navy Jack

This is the design commonly called "The Confederate Flag." It was indeed a naval flag. But it was also the battle flag for the Army of Northern Virginia

4x6" Clip On Antenna Flag Closeout:

#AF5 $3.95 each, $1.50 ea for 12 or more

Heavy Nylon:

Screen dyed design except as noted

Lt. Wt. Polyester, dyed design

12 x 18" $11.50 #CSAN12

x

2 x 3' $23.00 #CSAN2

x

3 x 5' $39.50 #CSAN3

$14.00 #CSAP

4 x 6' $49.00 #CSAN4

x

5 x 8' $82.00 #CSAN5

x

6 x 10' $280.00 #CSAN6 SEWN Design X
8 x 12' $460.00 #CSAN8 SEWN Design X

Cotton flags are not suitable for use in the rain

Check this one out!

CSA Navy Jack Heavy Thick Cotton Fully Sewn   A customer asked me if there was a nice cotton Confederate flag in a 5x9.5' casket size. I told him I would find out. Well, I did find this wonderfully made, fully sewn thick cotton 5x8' flag with heading and grommets. This cotton is so thick if feels like the nice denim they use in Levis jeans. Every star and stripe is richly sewn. This is an absolutely beautiful job. I have been selling flags for 25 years and have never seen a nicer job.

#CSAC5S 5x8' $82                            #CSAC3S 3x5' $49

            

 

Light Weight Dyed Polyester Jobbies

Not as rugged as the nylon flags shown above, but they have real good colors. And hey, for the price, these are great flags that do darn good outdoors.

Flag & Model #

Price for one

Price each if you get any three

Price each if you get any 12( Sell them yourself )

CSA Navy Jack #CSAP

$14.00

$9.99

$6.39

Bonnie Blue #BP

14.00

9.99

$6.39

Battle Flag 3x3' #BAT3P

14.00

9.99

$6.39

1st National #1P

14.00

9.99

$6.39

2nd National #2P

14.00

9.99

$6.39

3rd National #3P 14.00 9.99 $6.39

You can even mix and match from the flags in this chart to achieve the quantity pricing. These are 3x5' flags except the 3x3' Battle Flag

  

 Here are the responses we received from our appeal at the top of this page:

From: JS Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:40 AMT o: 'FLAGGUYS@aol.com'Subject: RE: THANK YOU

Dear Sirs, Thank you for your reply back. Your Great-Great Grandfather was wearing the Southern Cross of Honor, which was probably presented to him by the ladies of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC). I believe it was during the 1890's the UDC had this medal made to present to as many Confederate Veterans as possible and the UDC was the ONLY authorized organization to do so using this medal. All of the Southern Cross of Honor's were presented to Confederate Vets only by UDC members and if I'm correct 14,000 medals were made and presented to Confederate Vets. You can find a lot more information about this medal on the web just by typing in "Southern Cross of Honor" in the browser section. Hope this helps. JS

Follow up from same writer:. I was mistaken. It was 1900 when the medal came out, 12,500 was the first order and a total of 78,761 medals were presented to Confederate Vets.

Here's another response that agrees with the first writer:

Flag Guys:

The medal your grandpaw is wearing in the picture on your homepage is a United Daughters of the Confederacy "Southern Cross of Honor."

A textual description of the honor can be found at:

http://www.lib.jmu.edu/special/udccross.html

Hope this helps!

Glad to see my NY brethren unashamed to honor their Southron (sic) forebear!Hurrah for the Empire State (from the Magnolia State)! -- JH Sons of Confederate Veterans Camp # XXX, Mississippi

Thanks Pal. Thanks for the great picture. And we followed the second link you gave us and found this information:

UNITED DAUGHTERS OF THE CONFEDERACY.SOUTHERN CROSS OF HONOR DOCUMENTS.SC #2060CARRIER LIBRARY, JAMES MADISON UNIVERSITYCompiled by Scott DeNoon, April 1988

1. PLEASE NOTE: Microfilm #1486 must be used instead of the originals. Microfilm is available in Carrier Library's microform area on the second floor.

SCOPE AND CONTENT This collection consists of 1/2 Hollinger box and 1 oversize folder of records and applications for Shenandoah Valley residents who received the Southern Cross of Honor and the Cross of Military Service from the United Daughters of the Confederacy during the years 1905-1941.

The award, which later became the Cross of Military Service, originated on October 13, 1862 as an act of the Confederate Congress to recognize the courage, valor, and good conduct of officers, non-commissioned officers and privates of the Confederate Army. However, due to wartime shortages the medals were unable to be made, but the recipients' names were recorded in an Honor Roll for future reference. The design of the cross used by the UDC was created by Mrs. Alexander S. Erwin in July 1898. It featured a cross with a Confederate battle flag on the face surrounded by a laurel wreath with the inscription "The Southern Cross of Honor." The motto of the Confederate States of America, DEO VINDICE (God Our Vindicator) 1861-1865, and the inscription "From the U.D.C. to the U.C.V." appear on the reverse side. The Southern Cross of Honor and the Cross of Military Service are the two most prestigious honors awarded by the U.D.C.

PROVENANCE The collection was placed on deposit by contract with the Harrisonburg- Rockingham Historical Society. The crosses were awarded to recipients by the Turner Ashby Chapter No. 162.

BIBLIOGRAPHY United Daughters of the Confederacy. "The Southern Cross of Honor: General Information." --Received from the Richmond Office of the UDC. Southern Historical Society. Southern Historical Society Papers. Volume 29, Richmond: Southern Historical Society, 1901.

ORGANIZATION The collection was in no obvious order when it arrived at Carrier Library. It was organized into the following series by type of material and arranged alphabetically by name of veteran within each folder.

Box 1 Series I: Applications Folder 1 Southern Cross of Honor Applications, A-FFolder 2 " " " " , G-LFolder 3 " " " " , M-RFolder 4 " " " " , S-ZFolder 5 Cross of Military Service Applications

Flat Box 1 Series II: OversizeFolder 1 Southern Cross of Honor Recipient Records

 

This guy agrees with the first two guys <<The medal he is wearing is a membership medal of the United Confederate Veterans (UCV). It is based on the Southern Cross of Honor and veterans who were members of a UCV camp wore them. A reunion medal would have a cloth ribbon on it.<<

 

But is seems as though this e mail from our friend "Crutch" Williams at Crutchfield's Currency explains it best:

** Southern Cross of Honor

Information taken from Confederate Currency & Stamps by Claud E. Fuller, 1949. He is considered, still today, the expert on Civil War weapons and specifically the Southern weapons. He was a Yankee that was adopted by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, Tennessee Division. He had a section in his book that gives a more complete history on The Southern Cross of Honor. It was at a chapter meeting, Athens (Georgia) UDC later summer 1898 that Mrs. Mary Cobb Erwin presented a resolution to present a belated and much deserved medal to the soldiers and sailors of the South. There are a lot of "Whereas" and "Resolved" in the document. This resolution was presented to the Georgia body and approved October, 1898 and then to the main body UDC for final adoption November, 1899.

Your site, or the site you reference, gives conflicting information. You have "The design of the cross used by the UDC was created by Mrs. Alexander S. Erwin in July 1898." According to Fuller, leading historian of things Confederate and also of the UDC, he says, "The cross was designed by Mrs. S. E. Gabbett, of Atlanta, Georgia". I would believe that Fuller is correct that GABBETT designed the cross and Mrs. Alexander S. Erwin, listed by her familiar name Mary Cobb Erwin, was the one that put forth the resolution in local chapter. Mrs. Erwin was probably the President of that local chapter. I'm sure a more through search of records would give you all the names involved from the Athens UDC chapter, to the Georgia State UDC and finally the national UDC.

"The first presentation to Confederate veterans took place on the Confederate Memorial Day, April 26, 1900, and has since been known as the Southern Cross of Honor." Description: "Bronze cross pattee, bearing in the center a laurel wreath encircling the inscription in four lines, DEO VINDICE 1861 1865. The four arms of the cross inscribed SOUTHERN CROSS OF HONOR. Reverse, In the center a similar wreath encircling the Confederate battle flag, the four arms of the cross inscribed UNITED DAUGHTERS CONFEDERACY TO THE U.C.V. Suspended from a plain bar, on which the name of the recipient may be engraved."

"About twenty-five hundred crosses were distributed at that time, and since then it has been bestowed upon many thousands of Confederate veterans, and it is still being given to such as are entitled to receive it. In spite of the immense number of crosses that have been distributed, it is almost impossible to obtain a specimen so highly are they valued by those who possess them."

This information was written in 1949. The last U.C.V. meeting was 1952. There were only, I believe, five (5) veterans surviving at that time. One, George Washington Williams, the last to pass, was a cousin of my Grandfather William Richard Williams. I believe there have been some posthumous presentations in the last few years as well.

I passed on your site to a group I belong to recently. One was talking about some flags he purchased off eBay and I told them to check out all your flags. Talk to you later and

Best Regards

Crutch Williams

Life Member SCV

Crutchfield's Currency

http://www.CrutchWilliams.com

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